APRIL 1987 - #12 +-------------------------------------------+ <<-----<>----->> | | | L OOOO OOOO PPPPP | A LOOP FAMILY | L O O O O P P | INTEREST GROUP | L O O O O P P | NEWSLETTER | THE L O O O O PPPPP | | L O O O O P | <<-----<>----->> | L O O O O P | | LLLLL OOOO OOOO P | Victor L. Bennison | | 2 Georgetown Drive | SSSS CCCC OOOO OOOO PPPPP | Amherst, NH 03031 | S C O O O O P P | | S C O O O O P P | <<-----<>----->> | SSS C O O O O PPPPP | | S C O O O O P | 4 issues yearly | S C O O O O P | January, April, | SSSS CCCC OOOO OOOO P | July, October | | +-------------------------------------------+ <<-----<>----->> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! EDITOR'S NOTE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TIME TO SEND IN YOUR SUBSCRIPTIONS!!! We've now completed three years of publication of the Loop Scoop. Every year I've thought I'd run out of material to keep going. Every year you've sent in more material. I can't think of a better way to express my appreciation then by agreeing to continue the Scoop for another year. We've solved a lot of puzzles over the years. We now know how many of the Loops are related or are probably related. It is time to begin putting our information together into a book which I have decided to call "The Early Loop Family in America". My goal is to cover the main Loop/Lupp/Leupp family branches from their common ancestor in Germany in the late 1500's, down to about the year 1850. I will write the book in chapters which I will publish in draft form in this newsletter. It may take several years in this way to get the book in some form to have bound. I will make sure that the book is deposited with important genealogical libraries, in particular, The LDS Library in Salt Lake City. Please let me know of any mistakes you find in the draft chapters. Subscription rates are $15 for one year, four issues July, October, January and April. The next volume will be Numbers 13 through 16. If you are retired on a fixed income and would find the $15 to be a hardship, you may subscribe for $5, as in the past. (c) Victor L. Bennison, 1987 ****************************** ARTICLE ********************************* The Origins of the Name Victor L. Bennison [A draft of a chapter from "The Early Loop Family in America", in preparation, (c) 1987] The Loops in America are largely of German extraction. In fact, the main branches of the family in America, as we will see, are most of them descended from one German ancestor, Anthony Lupp of Bach in the parish of Bad Marienberg in the Hesse-Nassau region of Germany, who was born in the late 1500's and died before 1646. Though later Loop arrivals were from Belgium and Switzerland or other parts of Germany, these branches do not represent a significant percentage of American Loops and may themselves all have earlier German origins. It is possible, of course, that the name Lupp originated in some other country prior to the 1500's. There are several different theories as to the origin of the name itself. A book on German names gives the following derivation: Lupp, Luppertz, Lüppertz, Luppker, Lüppen all from Luppe (Middle High German) which means ointment, remedy. Examples: Mertein Lupp, 1462 and A. Lupper, 1392 in Bavaria Robert Lupp, in his "The Lupp Family, A Report on Work-in-Progress", 1971, provides the following reference: In "Deutsche Namenkunde", Max Gottschald gives the derivation of the name Lupp. On page 413, under the entry "Lupp-,Lüpp-" he refers the reader to "Leute" (people) and "Ljub." On page 404 he says that Leute is derived from the old-high German and middle-high-German "liut" (modern German "Volk", people), related to the anglosaxon "leod" (modern German "Mann", "Fürst", man, prince), and the old-high German "liotan" (modern German, "wachsen", to grow or increase). These are related to Lieb, Lut, and the slavic Ljud. "Ljud" in modern Russian means people or fold. A number of names were formed from the old and middle-high German "liut". Among them was "Liutbrand". Several of the shortforms of this name are "Luppo; Lupp (e); Lub/be, ke; Lüpp/e (s), ken; Lüp, Lüp/kes..." By this notation I believe the author means the names: Luppo, Lupp, Luppe, Lubbe, Lubke, Lüppe, Lüppes, Lüppken, Lüp, Lüpkes... I don't know why he seems to leave out "Lüpp", which is the only spelling in the Bad Marienberg parish registers. There are also examples of the name "Luppes" as a patronymic. In the Netherlands we find the christening of Willem Luppes the son of Luppe Clasens. We must assume that Luppe Clasens' father's first name was Claus. So it is also possible that Lupp was originally a given name. The many spellings of the name that appear in American records, e.g., Lupe, Loep, Loup, Lup, Luyb,... are mostly just cases of clerical misspelling. Most families ended up with one of the spellings "Loop", "Lupp", or Leupp. The umlat was dropped from the "u" in the spelling "Lupp" (note that the umlat does not consistently appear even in the German records). It is unclear why so many families settled on the spelling "Loop", while relatively few have kept the original spelling "Lupp". The "Loop" spelling perhaps became preferred because the "Lupp" spelling would be too easily mispronounced as having a short "u". Some families that kept the "Lupp" spelling in America for half a century or more, still later changed over to the "Loop" spelling. The etymology of the spelling "Leupp" is a very interesting story. The following passage is from the "History of New Brunswick, New Jersey", p. 262: The name "Lupp", by the way, becoming "Leupp" in later days, is thus explained (as to the change) by the late John H. Leupp, Esq., in a letter to the author as follows: "The family originally came from Nieuweid on the Rhine. When my uncle Charles M., of New York, was visiting that place about 1840 he saw on the old gravestones the name spelled Lupp, and thought the dots over the u indicated e and, that the spelling should not be lost entirely, incorporated the e in the name, and the other members of the family agreeing, the spelling was changed to the prevailing mode" John H. Leupp and Charles M. Leupp were both descendants of Gerlach Lupp of New Jersey. Charles M. Leupp could well afford to travel in Europe. He was a millionaire. All his six brothers and sisters followed his example and changed their names to Leupp. Interestingly, one line of the New York Loops, a little later, also changed their names to Leupp. This was the family of Francis Ellington Leupp, a great-grandson of Captain Peter Loop. He was very interested in the family history, and though he may not have known Charles M. Leupp, who committed suicide when Francis was only 10, he probably met other members of the New Jersey Leupp family. It is probably Francis E. Leupp who decided, mistakenly, that his great-grandfather Capt. Peter Loop was a grandson of Gerlach Lupp, a very persistant misconception. He also decided that his cousin had been right about the spelling of the name, so his family adopted the spelling "Leupp" as well. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ VITAL DATA +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1. I recently re-examined some of the Philadelphia passenger lists. One ship list particularly stuck out. The Rowand, which arrived 29 SEP 1753 contained Ludwig Lupp who became a minister in the Lebanon area of Pennsylvania. But on board with him were many people with surnames from the villages of the parish of Bad Marienberg. None of the other passenger ship lists contain more than one or two names that I recognized, except for the common names like Schmidt. Here are some of the names of Ludwig's shipmates most of whom are probably from Bad Marienberg: Johan Peter Weyel (Wiezel, probably) Johannes Buchner Christian Mann Jonas Mann Johan Wilhelm Jung Johan Christian Weinbrenner Johan Henrich Greb Johan Theis Greb Frantz Zeiller (Zayler) Jacob Shutz (Schutz) Mathias Schutz Johan Friederich Schmidt Johan Martin Buchner Johan Henrich Buchner Bernhart Pfeiffer Johan Jacob Haas Peter Muller Johan Conrad Gra Christian Rubsamen Johan Henry Held Sebastian Weber Paulus Crum Johan Theis Hissgen Johan Henrich Felger (Filger) Johann Peter Leiss Johan Theis Rubsamen Bastian Shneyder Matheus Zimmerman Johannes Crum Apparently, in 1753, a large number of inhabitants of Bad Marienberg decided to immigrate in a group. Keep in mind that these are only the adult males in the group, many of them having families with them, and you begin to realize just how many people from that one small parish were on that one small boat. 2. Some interesting records from the Pennsylvania Archives: 1765 Berks County Land Warrantees: Jacob Lop 200 acres, 30 APR 1765 1782 Lancaster County, Hanover Twp., Returns of Valuations: George Lop 160 acres, 2 horses, 3 cattle, 0 servants tax: 10.0.0; In trust 30 acres, tax: 2.5.0 1767 Berks County, Amity Twp.: Michael Lop 0 acres, 0 horses, 0 cattle, 0 sheep tax: 1 1768 Berks County, Amity Twp.: Michael Lop, Cooper 200 acres, 4 horses, 4 cattle, 12 sheep tax: 24 1780 Philadelphia City, Northern Liberties, East Part, Effective Supply Tax: Peter Loup valuation 69,000 tax 207.0.0 1780 Philadelphia County, Effective Supply Tax: Peter Loup, farmer valuation 2004 tax 36.8.2 for the place 8100 tax 147.3.0 1780 Philadelphia City, Effective Supply Tax: Peter Loup valuation 212 tax 2.15.2 for widow Emlen's, et. 1500 tax 19.10.0 1774 Philadelphia County, Provincial Tax, Cheltenham Twp.: John Lup 0 acres, 1 horse, 2 cattle, 0 servants tax 1.6.8 1784 Berks County, Albany Twp., Return and Assessment: Christian Lup 125 acres, 2 horses, 2 cattle, 3 sheep 1784 Berks County, Bern Twp., Return and Assessment: Christian Lup 0 acres, 0 horses, 0 cattle, 0 sheep 1785 Northumberland County, Augusta Twp., State Tax: Christian Lupp 0 acres, 0 horses, 0 cattle, 0 sheep Tax 1.1 1783 Bucks County, Rockhill Twp., [tax?]: John Soup Tax 1.4.0 1779 Lancaster County, Derry Twp., Supply Tax: Margret Soop 200 acres, 3 horses, 5 cattle, 18 sheep, 0 negroes 1791 Westmoreland County Militia, Jno. Loop [John Loop] in Captain Robert Hunter's command, discharged 8 JUN 1791, 6 dollars 45 cents 1793 Cumberland County Militia, Commissioned officers of Sixth Regiment, 6th Company: Capt. Simon Loop and Ensign Benj. Noop [?] 3. Will Books of Lancaster County, PA: Catherine Loop, 1827 Book P, Vol. 1, Page 2 4. History of Tohickon Union Church [Bucks County], by Hinke: Bedminister Twp., 30 OCT 1831, Martin Lup and Susan Hottel married 5. 10000 Vital Records of Eastern New York, by Bowman: 5351 Loop, Jacob 33 died 4/11/19 [11 APR 1819] in Red Hook [Dutchess County], Poughkeepsie Journal of 14 APR 5352 Loop, Josiah married Catherine Osterhout, both of Rhinebeck, [Dutchess County], Rev. Romeyne, Poughkeepsie Journal of 5 OCT 1796. ?????????????????????????????? QUERIES ????????????????????????????????? Please send responses to queries to the Loop Scoop. I will relay them to the person asking the question. 1. Henry H. Loop was born in New York between 1827 and 1836. He does not show up in Chautauqua County until the 1855 census of that county. There he is listed as the adopted son of Nicolas Thum and his county of birth is listed as unknown. He married Luana Marsh and lived in Chautauqua County until his death in 1911. On his death certificate his father is listed as John Loop. No mother is listed. Questions: Where was he born? Who were his parents? - Vick Bennison 2. Family info indicates father of Peter H. Loop b. 1766/7 d. 1855 Sandusky Co., OH, was Peter Loop Sr. b. 1743 Schoharie, NY, d. 1843 Woodstock, IL. Other info places Peter H. as the son of Ensign Henry Loop. Has anyone found records of a Schoharie NY Peter Loop, of a Peter Loop dying or buried at Woodstock (McHenry County) IL, or a marriage record of Ensign Henry's son Peter? My Peter Loop married Rebecca Gilbert, supposedly in 1790 at Schoharie, NY, and his tombstone has Peter Loop, JR. 1766 - 1855. - Joanne Ellis 3. I am seeking the parents of Jane Loop who married Jonathan Andrus (Andrews) of New York. Their child, Polly Andrews, born 3 APR 1791, died 17 DEC 1872 at Windsor, NY, she having married Ezra Barton on 28 NOV 1808 in Broome County, NY. Is there proof that she is the daughter of Peter Loop and Couysa Springer? - Dee Merritt 4. Who were the parents of Almond Loop, where and when were they born? Did he have any brothers and sisters? Almond was born 27 FEB 1828, in New York State, where? He was married in Bradford, Penn., to Mary Melissa Moore, 22 JAN 1850. They lived in Penn., until 1865 when they moved to Manchester, Iowa. He died 27 JUN 1912. I would like to know the parents of Mary Moore, where and when they were born. Mary was born in Jamestown, New York, 6 JAN 1836 and died 23 OCT 1901 in Iowa. - Vola Carter 5. Need date and place of marriage of John L. Loop and Mrs. Naomi Barlow (?), his 2nd wife. They were married about 1856/57 in Wisconsin. Need maiden name, date/place of birth, date/place of death of Naomi Loop, wife of John L. Loop. Need date/place of birth, date/place of death of Ezra Loop, son of John L. and Naomi Loop. Ezra must have died between 1870 and 1880, probably in Richardson County, Nebraska. - Virginia L. Bachofer 6. [From the New York Biographical and Genealogical Record:] LOUP - WILSON. Parents and family of Mary Lane Loup, born about 1826, who married Robert B. Wilson of Bradford, [McKean County], Pennsylvania, about 1847, moved to Illinois 1858-1860, thence to Jessup, Iowa. - Mrs. R. J. Malone +++++++++++++++++++++++ NOTES AND ANNOUNCEMENTS +++++++++++++++++++++++ 1. Marilyn Loop - Note the Vital Records above containing the John Loop in Westmoreland County in 1791. 2. An answer arrived to part of query #5 above concerning the marriage of John Loop and Naomi Barlow. James L. Hansen, the reference librarian for the State Historical Society of Wisconsin wrote that he saw the query and found the answer. He writes: "I checked a partial index we hold to pre-1907 Wisconsin marriages and discovered the marriage of John and Naomi. The marriage took place in the Town of Rubicon, Dodge County, Wisconsin... The record is very uninformative stating simply John Loop, a resident of Iron Ridge, Dodge County, married "Mrs. Barlow" November 24, 1853 in the Town of Rubicon, the religious ceremony being performed by Robert Cobbin (or Coffin). The record appears in the marriage records of Dodge County, volume 1, page 202." My thanks to Mr. Hansen for taking the time to reply to this query. 3. I think we will soon have our first LUPP subscriber. I recently corresponded with Robert E. Lupp, who is a librarian for the New Jersey State Library responsible for the New Jersey special collections including the genealogical operation. Way back 1971, he wrote a paper, "The Lupp Family - a Report on Work-in-Progress", based on a considerable amount of research. It is an excellent piece of work, and will come in very handy in piecing the Loop family together. 4. In the paper of Robert Lupp, is the information that the will of Christian Loop of York County is dated (probated?) 26 AUG 1789. This is very important, because the Christian Loop, Jr., born in 1788, can then be this Christian's child. Other family group sheets I've seen have said Christian died in 1785, too early to have fathered Christian, Jr. This Christian Loop is one of Rev. Ludwig Lupp's children. I do not know if the will itself exists, but the administration mentions that his child Christina, Jr., aged 4, will have John Heck as a guardian. As the wife's name is Christina, this is possible. No mention seems to be made of Christian, Jr., but he would be only about 9 months old at that time. John Heck was Christian's sister's husband. 5. Joanne Ellis writes a letter asking many questions. Among them: a) Does Albert Loop, born Switzerland (see his family group sheet in this issue) connect with any other Loops? Ans: I have not been able to link him up, but I have not tried looking for parish register for the Swiss town where he was born. Later. b) Who was the Simon Loop who married Elizabeth Catherine Loop in Preble County, OH? Ans: I think it is probably the son of her father's brother Philip, making them first cousins. I have no proof of this however. Philip mentions his son Simon in his will in 1824, so Simon was still alive then. c) Ans: Regarding the chart for Simon Loop (LUSI.FGSV), there is a statement in the notes section that seems to say that Omer Loop was a brother-in-law of George Hanger. The statment should be rewritten to read "We found the graves of Simon Loop, your grandfather and also that of Susanna and George Hanger. My brother-in-law, Dr. Petty of the Dayton..." So Omer is not George Hanger's brother-in-law. d) Have you seen Garold Loop's notebook #7?: Ans: No, I haven't, has anyone else? e) Who was the Jacob Loop who married Martin Loop's daughter Mary?: Ans: He was Jacob Loop the son of Sebastian Loop, Martin's brother. So they were first cousins. Actually, it is worse than that; their mothers were twins, Maria and Margaret Minkler. f) Who is the Jacob Loop in Wayne County, OH, in 1850, born 1771 in PA?: Ans: I believe he is a son of Anthony Lupp (Sr.) who arrived in Philadelphia in 1766, and lived in Adams county, PA, and probably had sons Jacob and Anthony, Jr. I'm not certain of this belief, so don't quote me. Ludwig did not have a son Jacob, as far as I know. 6. I now know how Gerlach Lupp of New Jersey is related to the other Loops. Looking back over the parish registers of Bad Marienberg, I discovered that I had misread the 1723 marriage record of one of Jacob's son. Instead of being for a Johan Peter Lupp, it is for a Johan Gerlach Lupp, and he is marrying a Anna Veronica Kempel. They are being married in another parish. He probably moved to that other parish after the marriage and this explains why there are no further records for him in the Bad Marienberg parish. The Kempel name is important, for Gerlach (of New Jersey) had a son Christian who names Philip Kempel as co-executor of his will. This is likely his uncle, i.e., his mother's brother. So though I still need some supporting evidence, I am convinced that Gerlach is a brother of Christian, Martin, and Sebastian of Columbia County, New York. 7. The claim elsewhere in this newsletter that most of the Loops of America are descended from a single Lupp in Germany is based on further research in the Bad Marienberg parish registers. Starting in 1646, the earliest that parish registers are available for Bad Marienberg, every Lupp in Bad Marienberg appears to be a descendant of one Anthony (or Tonges) Lupp of the town of Bach. His son Sebastian was the father of Jacob, who was the father of of immigrants Christian, Gerlach, Martin, and Sebastian. Anthony's son August (or Jost) Lupp, had a son Henrich, who had a son Johan Henrich, who was the father of immigrant Ludwig Lupp and also of an Anthony Lupp who was probably the Anthony of Adams County, PA. Ludwig also had a brother Henrich who may have been the Henrich Lupp who arrived in Philadelphia in 1754. 8. The pictures in this issue are from an album owned by James C. Fry of Powell, Tennessee. The dedication in the album reads: Present to Ella, from D. D. Loop of North East, Penna, Jan'y 23rd 1867